in fact, when you are hurting people or animals, in terms of the law of cause and effect in the universe, we must bring retribution! however, in the experience of ordinary people, they think that it is a good thing, so they ignorantly think: "i am a good person." why do you learn buddhism if you are a good person? why convert? that is what only people who fail in love, suffer, foolish, and cowardly will do.
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